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Astroboy058
02-18-2012, 09:17 PM
As most of you already now I am going to build this guitar for my bud Clay. It's coming from Guitar Fetish sometime this coming week. I have plans to really dial this kit guitar in and make it look and play right.

I have some good quality parts I will upgrade it with. Even though most of the hardware it comes with will never be used I will still keep the parts. I just can't throw away a good guitar part :D.

I have a brand new set of Ibanez active pickups and all the wiring and pots I need to wire it up. I also have a brand new set of Sperzial locking tuners and some good quality hardware for it. I also have a new Gibson bridge and stop tail for it.

This is going to be alot of work and alot of time to build it and get it right. I had about 10-12 hours in the last PRS style kit I built for my friend Bruno and I learned alot about these kit guitars.

I know some of you considered building a kit guitar before. I will show you step by step on this one. A little more detailed then any of my other builds I posted here.

https://guitarfetish.3dcartstores.com/Double-Cutaway-Set-Neck-Carved-Top-Flamed-maple-Kit-COMPLETE_p_1195.html

I really like the all Mahogany body and neck in this kit. I am thinking of staining or painting it red with a matching head stock.

Hey Chris, you up for some painting,lmao.

cvidal
02-18-2012, 10:12 PM
As most of you already now I am going to build this guitar for my bud Clay. It's coming from Guitar Fetish sometime this coming week. I have plans to really dial this kit guitar in and make it look and play right.

I have some good quality parts I will upgrade it with. Even though most of the hardware it comes with will never be used I will still keep the parts. I just can't throw away a good guitar part...subpar quality or not :D.

I have a brand new set of Ibanez active pickups and all the wiring and pots I need to wire it up. I also have a brand new set of Sperzial locking tuners and some good quality hardware for it. I also have a new Gibson bridge and stop tail for it.

This is going to be alot of work and alot of time to build it and get it right. I had about 10-12 hours in the last PRS style kit I built for my friend Bruno and I learned alot about these kit guitars.

I know some of you considered building a kit guitar before. I will show you step by step on this one. A little more detailed then any of my other builds I posted here.

https://guitarfetish.3dcartstores.com/Double-Cutaway-Set-Neck-Carved-Top-Flamed-maple-Kit-COMPLETE_p_1195.html

I really like the all Mahogany body and neck in this kit. I am thinking of staining or painting it red with a matching head stock.

Hey Chris, you up for some painting,lmao.
Send her my way Gary. We"ll get er done.

garyo
02-19-2012, 01:29 AM
Looking forward to the documentary........ always fun to see someone build something.

ArticStrat
02-19-2012, 01:52 AM
Can't wait to see this build myself. I want to do this too at some point.

tle4
02-19-2012, 02:53 AM
Nice...Cant wait to see the build...

mikedem
02-19-2012, 03:03 AM
Cool. This new series will be must watch TV:D

This kit uses a set neck doesn't it Gary? That's scary. Once it's glued that's all she wrote:eek:

Astroboy058
02-19-2012, 03:13 AM
Cool. This new series will be must watch TV:D

This kit uses a set neck doesn't it Gary? That's scary. Once it's glued that's all she wrote:eek:

No I think it is bolt on. I have hide glue here and have glued in necks before. It's no biggie Mike. I set the neck in the pocket and use a clamp to hold it in place and put on both E strings and make sure it is lined up and mark the neck with a pencil.

The few I have glued in had the neck pocket and neck a real tight fit anyway. They were dead on anyway as far as alignment. But I always check it before.

mikedem
02-19-2012, 03:25 AM
A friend got a similar kit form GFS and it was a set neck. I think there descriptions are generic because at the bottom it says , get the right glues.

That is a much better looking kit than they used to have.

Astroboy058
02-19-2012, 03:34 AM
A friend got a similar kit form GFS and it was a set neck. I think there descriptions are generic because at the bottom it says , get the right glues.

That is a much better looking kit than they used to have.

Yea, I agree with you. Plus all Mahogany body. It has to be a pretty good one. I am not worried though because I have bought so much from them all I would have to do is e-mail them and tell them I am not happy with the kit amd they would send me another one.

I have had a few issues with some of their parts before and they took care of the problem with no questions and very quickly. They do stand behind their parts and give me great service so I am loyal to them when I need some parts.

mikedem
02-19-2012, 04:02 AM
Yea, I agree with you. Plus all Mahogany body. It has to be a pretty good one. I am not worried though because I have bought so much from them all I would have to do is e-mail them and tell them I am not happy with the kit amd they would send me another one.

I have had a few issues with some of their parts before and they took care of the problem with no questions and very quickly. They do stand behind their parts.

I don't think I have ever got an order than didn't have something wrong. :D

Jay comes across as a grumpy guy via email but always fixes you up. Twice they sent me the wrong tuners and sent out a new set and said keep the wrong ones for my troubles!! Who does that anymore?

Astroboy058
02-19-2012, 04:16 AM
I don't think I have ever got an order than didn't have something wrong. :D

Jay comes across as a grumpy guy via email but always fixes you up. Twice they sent me the wrong tuners and sent out a new set and said keep the wrong ones for my troubles!! Who does that anymore?

Same here, they sent me a Tele body and it had issues. I told him it was bad and they sent me another one that he said he hand picked. It was perfect. He never asked for the old one back.

The body had issues and I could not assemble it and give it to a customer but it was still a nice Tele body so I put it together and gave it away at Cedar Lane school in a free raffle. There is a pic on my site of the girl that won it.

What was wrong with the body?. The hole for the bridge pup was not cut out in the right place and when you installed the bridge you could see the hole on one side of the bridge.

Just bad enough to where I could not sell it as new but good enough to free raffle it away.

mikedem
02-19-2012, 04:19 AM
Same here, they sent me a Tele body and it had issues. I told him it was bad and they sent me another one that he said he hand picked. It was perfect. He never asked for the old one back.

The body had issues and I could not assemble it and give it to a customer but it was still a nice Tele body so I put it together and gave it away at Cedar Lane school in a free raffle. There is a pic on my site of the girl that won it.

What was wrong with the body?. The hole for the bridge pup was not cut out in the right place and when you installed the bridge you could see the hole on one side of the bridge.

Just bad enough to where I could not sell it as new but good enough to free raffle it away.

2 Xaviere Tele's, 1 I owned and one I restrung had the same thing. You could see about a 32nd of an inch of the bridge pup hole with the bridge installed.
I have seen some MIM fenders with a similar thing too though.

Ross6860
02-19-2012, 04:30 AM
No I think it is bolt on. I have hide glue here and have glued in necks before. It's no biggie Mike. I set the neck in the pocket and use a clamp to hold it in place and put on both E strings and make sure it is lined up and mark the neck with a pencil.

The few I have glued in had the neck pocket and neck a real tight fit anyway. They were dead on anyway as far as alignment. But I always check it before.

Gary,

How much hand fitting of the neck/neck pocket and neck angle did you have to do?

Bolt neck is probably a bit easier for a first time-build, but what the heck.

I've got a couple amps to finish first, so I'll live vicariously through your projects.

Astroboy058
02-19-2012, 05:03 AM
Gary,

How much hand fitting of the neck/neck pocket and neck angle did you have to do?

Bolt neck is probably a bit easier for a first time-build, but what the heck.

I've got a couple amps to finish first, so I'll live vicariously through your projects.

The couple I have done I only had to sand the pocket and neck a little bit.

snapperfireman
02-19-2012, 06:35 AM
Cant wait to watch the videos of this one...Its going to be sweet.

Astroboy058
02-24-2012, 08:02 AM
Well, I got the kit. I will post some pics later. The body looks really nice. The neck needs some TLC but very workable. It will still be a while before I start to put up vids because I am shipping the body off to Chris so he can paint it for me.

This kit looks to be very similar to the Saga kits but a tad better body and neck. Actually then body is really nice showing alot of grain on the top. The hardware is the same as the Saga kits but I won't be using most of it anyway.

I am leaving the color of the body up to Chris to decide. He is painting it so he picks the color.

See how easy I got out of that. If Clay does not like the color he can Bit... at Chris :eek:.

mikedem
02-24-2012, 08:29 AM
Good plan on the paint thing. Plausible denability:D

So was it a set or bolt on neck?

Astroboy058
02-24-2012, 09:16 AM
Good plan on the paint thing. Plausible denability:D

So was it a set or bolt on neck?

Set neck Mike. The other PRS kit I built was fine. He played it at 4 shows. Then he knocked it off the stand and the neck came loose.

He brought it back to me. I looked at it and saw the glue held fine. The wood broke loose. Part of the body was still attached to the glue. Not a top quality body or wood.

So I drilled 4 holes and made it a bolt on....problem solved. I think Clay wants it to be a glued in neck. So I might do that and if it comes loose I can always make it a bolt on.

I am giving away all my secrets here. Actually everything I have told you all is....ah...ahh,.....false and not true.

Astroboy058
02-27-2012, 11:38 AM
I received the kit. Here is a vid of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gKs0RtVhuw&feature=youtu.be

mikedem
02-27-2012, 11:56 AM
Great video. Is it me or does it look like they left a bit of the headstock there for you to route it to whatever you like? I know some of the kits come with a paddle headstock so you can shape it to whatever you like. I think it helps them in licensing issues.

Damn that makes me want to build one:D

Astroboy058
02-27-2012, 01:32 PM
Great video. Is it me or does it look like they left a bit of the headstock there for you to route it to whatever you like? I know some of the kits come with a paddle headstock so you can shape it to whatever you like. I think it helps them in licensing issues.

Damn that makes me want to build one:D

Yea, I am going to do something with it. I don't know what yet,lol.

mikedem
02-27-2012, 01:36 PM
Yea, I am going to do something with it. I don't know what yet,lol.

Oh I don't know......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PRS_headstock.svg

Jody1985
02-28-2012, 10:13 PM
Just caught the video on youtube :D
You just said that about flametop, is that the pattern of the wood grain? I did not know that! I thought it just meant like ... red guitars or something haha.

That is gonna be (trying to sound American here) baaad-assss :cool:

cvidal
02-28-2012, 10:39 PM
Just caught the video on youtube :D
You just said that about flametop, is that the pattern of the wood grain? I did not know that! I thought it just meant like ... red guitars or something haha.

That is gonna be (trying to sound American here) baaad-assss :cool:
Flame Tops have a thin curly maple (also called Flame Maple or Tiger Maple) top over the base body wood. Quilted tops have a thin Quilted Maple top over the base body wood. See the attached images of each wood. They are not only decorative, but also add a touch of brightness to the tone, as the figured maple tops are very dense.

Jody1985
02-28-2012, 10:44 PM
Flame Tops have a thin curly maple (also called Flame Maple or Tiger Maple) top over the base body wood. Quilted tops have a thin Quilted Maple top over the base body wood. See the attached images of each wood. They are not only decorative, but also add a touch of brightness to the tone, as the figured maple tops are very dense.

Thats interesting Sir, thanks!
I like that quilted one a lot!
Think I learn something every thread I look at in the Tech Bench :D

Astroboy058
02-29-2012, 12:20 AM
I talked to Chris Yesterday. I am going to wait a couple of weeks before I ship it to him so it will be a while until this thread gets going again.

I think it will be a very cool guitar when done.

ArticStrat
02-29-2012, 01:35 AM
Flame Tops have a thin curly maple (also called Flame Maple or Tiger Maple) top over the base body wood. Quilted tops have a thin Quilted Maple top over the base body wood. See the attached images of each wood. They are not only decorative, but also add a touch of brightness to the tone, as the figured maple tops are very dense.

They both look spectacular.

snapperfireman
02-29-2012, 05:08 AM
Wood grain on the guitar looks good in the picture, bet it looks even better up close. She is going to be a beautiful guitar.

cvidal
02-29-2012, 05:11 AM
I talked to Chris Yesterday. I am going to wait a couple of weeks before I ship it to him so it will be a while until this thread gets going again.

I think it will be a very cool guitar when done.
Don't you worry Garry. By the time I'm done with it you won't even recognize her! Bwahahaha!;)

65Casino
02-29-2012, 09:25 AM
Hmmmm.... choices choices... not. I will take the second one pls... clear blue nitro lacquer with a light transparent black border...not to defined but with a touch of fire mist if you will. We shall call her Stormy...

Flame Tops have a thin curly maple (also called Flame Maple or Tiger Maple) top over the base body wood. Quilted tops have a thin Quilted Maple top over the base body wood. See the attached images of each wood. They are not only decorative, but also add a touch of brightness to the tone, as the figured maple tops are very dense.

Astroboy058
02-29-2012, 10:02 AM
Don't you worry Garry. By the time I'm done with it you won't even recognize her! Bwahahaha!;)

Chris, I knew that before I asked you to do it!!!!!!!!!:D and stop trying to kiss me. I am happily married.

Gunn6Slinger
02-29-2012, 10:35 AM
Yea Gary...what 65 casino said!...lol

mikedem
02-29-2012, 11:28 AM
Well since Chris is gonna have all the stain and paint out already.............;)

Astroboy058
02-29-2012, 04:40 PM
Yea Gary...what 65 casino said!...lol

Sorry sir but you have no say in this build at all.:p

Your birthday is gone

I missed the date

This build is up to me

And it will be late

I am sure it will look

And play just fine

But watch it mister

Don't cross my line

I have big plans

For this awesome axxe

I just have to watch it

So I don't throw out my back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jody1985
02-29-2012, 05:42 PM
LOL! This poetry is catching on. Rep points.

Astroboy058
03-01-2012, 10:40 PM
Ok players, I got the neck on it and I laid some hardware on it so you can get an idea of what it is going to look like.

After some research I decided to not use the Ibanez active pickups. No one seemed to like them and they all had the same complaints about them. I am using a new Seymour Duncan SH-1 in the bridge and a really nice bluesy sounding Epiphone in the neck. Clay has wanted this Epiphone pickup for about 5 years,lol. They made a mistake on this one. It sounds great!!!.

I will send it to Chris in a few weeks. I think it is going to be a pretty nice guitar coming from a kit. Well, Chris and I will make it a nice guitar,lmao.

ArticStrat
03-01-2012, 11:08 PM
Boy, that really looks good. I like the style.

mikedem
03-01-2012, 11:23 PM
That looks great!!

I see you decided to bolt on the neck. Any reason or just easier to ship to Chris in pieces?

glassback
03-01-2012, 11:30 PM
That looks great,Cant wait to see it finished, I love these threads. Man Gary you've got me to thinking about doing one of my own, I mean why should you guys have all the fun! :D i've been looking at these over here. http://www.diyguitarshop.co.uk/content/images/kits/DKT02A_details.htm

cvidal
03-01-2012, 11:36 PM
That looks great,Cant wait to see it finished, I love these threads. Man Gary you've got me to thinking about doing one of my own, I mean why should you guys have all the fun! :D i've been looking at these over here. http://www.diyguitarshop.co.uk/content/images/kits/DKT02A_details.htm
Go for it Ian. There's something very satisfying doing your own. An axe you'll be proud of.
Just an FYI players. I promise to post some pics here also when the guitars in my camp.

ArticStrat
03-01-2012, 11:38 PM
Go for it Ian. There's something very satisfying doing your own. An axe you'll be proud of.
Just an FYI players. I promise to post some pics here also when the guitars in my camp.

We're gonna hold you to that! :eek:

glassback
03-01-2012, 11:49 PM
Go for it Ian. There's something very satisfying doing your own. An axe you'll be proud of.
Just an FYI players. I promise to post some pics here also when the guitars in my camp.

Thats definately on the agenda next Chris, Really fancy a go at this after watching you guys. Forgot to post the price of that kit. 131.50 plus 10 p+p. Great price.

ArticStrat
03-02-2012, 12:40 AM
Astroboy058, have you ever used one of the Strat kits from GF? If so, what did you think?

mikedem
03-02-2012, 01:42 AM
Astroboy058, have you ever used one of the Strat kits from GF? If so, what did you think?

A friend did and I think Gary mentioned it before too. They had two kits at one time. Paulawna (sp?) wood or Ash. The Paulawna is like balsa wood and hardly holds a screw. If they still have the Ash or Popular body one they would be good.

All of their Xaviere strats are Popular or Ash and they dont even use their light weight woods on their own guitars - tells you something

Astroboy058
03-02-2012, 04:22 AM
Astroboy058, have you ever used one of the Strat kits from GF? If so, what did you think?

No Kim this is my first kit from them. I would not but a Strat kit from them myself because I can buy one of their Strat bodies for about $60 bucks, a mightymite neck for $90 and $15 bucks for their vintage single coil pup set. Add another hundred for hardware and you have a Strat like one of these in the pic.

I wanted the PRS style body from the kit mostly,lol. It takes all my skills to put one of these kits together and make it like I want it to be. It is not hard to do, it just takes alot of time. Don't get me wrong, you can buy one of the kits and put it together and play it but it will not be half the quality of the ones in the pic for about $100 more investment. It is satisfying and fun though.

ArticStrat
03-02-2012, 04:46 AM
No Kim this is my first kit from them. I would not but a Strat kit from them myself because I can buy one of their Strat bodies for about $60 bucks, a mightymite neck for $90 and $15 bucks for their vintage single coil pup set. Add another hundred for hardware and you have a Strat like one of these in the pic.

I wanted the PRS style body from the kit mostly,lol. It takes all my skills to put one of these kits together and make it like I want it to be. Don't get me wrong, you can buy one of the kits and put it together and play it but it will not be half the quality of teh ones in the pic for about $100 more investment. It is satisfying and fun though.

10:4 Gary. Wow, I know that I have seen them before, but those are still sweet. Love the red with the black pups. Looks awesome.

65Casino
03-02-2012, 12:45 PM
Damn't GB! Stop it. Gary - you are so cruel. If I could tear my way from this website for a minute - (will have too - extreme bad weather in 5 - 10 minutes they say - tv is going nutz with that irritating buzzing warning noise) I would - but I would just have to play catch up and read all of these NGD threads all at once and that would be the end of me. I mean seriously... GB's, Schnuffi's, Zen's and all the others - but I know one is coming... I just can't decide - which is the real problem.

:eek: Later guys - sh*t's hitting the fan outside - major light show going on...

(Clay - Stay with the Stormy idea... absolutely beautiful. Go to the Fender website http://www.fender.com/community/guitarbuilder/ and move the color thingamabob to blue and then add the burst on/off. I am beginning to like the off better...but to be Stormy, it has to have the blackish see thru border...almost like fish net stockings.:D Copyrights on fish net stocking border...amp knobs, pearl pguard for the clouds... white pups for the lightning piece :p)

That looks great,Cant wait to see it finished, I love these threads. Man Gary you've got me to thinking about doing one of my own, I mean why should you guys have all the fun! :D i've been looking at these over here. http://www.diyguitarshop.co.uk/content/images/kits/DKT02A_details.htm

Astroboy058
03-02-2012, 06:26 PM
Damn't GB! Stop it. Gary - you are so cruel. If I could tear my way from this website for a minute - (will have too - extreme bad weather in 5 - 10 minutes they say - tv is going nutz with that irritating buzzing warning noise) I would - but I would just have to play catch up and read all of these NGD threads all at once and that would be the end of me. I mean seriously... GB's, Schnuffi's, Zen's and all the others - but I know one is coming... I just can't decide - which is the real problem.

:eek: Later guys - sh*t's hitting the fan outside - major light show going on...

(Clay - Stay with the Stormy idea... absolutely beautiful. Go to the Fender website http://www.fender.com/community/guitarbuilder/ and move the color thingamabob to blue and then add the burst on/off. I am beginning to like the off better...but to be Stormy, it has to have the blackish see thru border...almost like fish net stockings.:D Copyrights on fish net stocking border...amp knobs, pearl pguard for the clouds... white pups for the lightning piece :p)

I hope everything is ok down there Glen.

mikedem
03-03-2012, 12:50 AM
I hope everything is ok down there Glen.

I think there is some major G.A.S happening down there:D

65Casino
03-03-2012, 02:14 AM
Thanks guys... tornadoes hitting the ground all over Atlanta area last night. I was not taking a chance on 4 computers gettting toasted. Great gas...I mean light show last night - till 3 a.m. It was wave after wave of light shows, wind and sideways rain. My son's girlfriend had to spend the night... couldn't get her home! Too bad he got excited for nothing...LOL. :D

I hope everything is ok down there Glen.

I think there is some major G.A.S happening down there:D

Astroboy058
03-03-2012, 08:44 PM
Ok Players, I shipped the body and neck to Chris yesterday. He should get it around Wednesday.

Chris had a fair amount of prep work on the body and neck. I threw him a tangled up ball of rope on this one. I am very very excited about having him paint it. Clay is excited about it too!.

When I told him that Chris was going to paint it he got this big old smile on his face. I have known Clay for about 15 years. I never knew he even had a smile. Wow, you think you know someone and boom they throw a smile at you..go figure.

Chris, is it done yet?:eek:
Chris, is it done yet?:eek:
Chris, is it done yet?:eek:
Chris, is it done yet?:eek:

cvidal
03-03-2012, 09:43 PM
Ok Players, I shipped the body and neck to Chris yesterday. He should get it around Wednesday.

Chris had a fair amount of prep work on the body and neck. I threw him a tangled up ball of rope on this one. I am very very excited about having him paint it. Clay is excited about it too!.

When I told him that Chris was going to paint it he got this big old smile on his face. I have known Clay for about 15 years. I never knew he even had a smile. Wow, you think you know someone and boom they throw a smile at you..go figure.

Chris, is it done yet?:eek:
Chris, is it done yet?:eek:
Chris, is it done yet?:eek:
Chris, is it done yet?:eek:
Got my lawn chair parked out by the mailbox.

Astroboy058
03-03-2012, 10:13 PM
I recently took KP's advise that he gave in a prior post here in the tech section. He said orange drop caps were junk. Ahh hmm I use orange drop caps Keith :eek:.

But I will be honest most customers ask for the orange drops. So after reading his post about caps and such I went to Mojotone and ordered some .22 and .47 oil filled caps and the cap/resister for the volume bleed add-on. I am going to put both of them in Clays Agile PRS copy this morning and see what I can hear.

I have already installed a .47 oil filled cap in another guitar just as an exsperiment. What I noticed was a completely different travel as far as the drop off. It was late so I really could not check it out properly I will check it out this morning.

See I am not that stubborn. I am trying something new here.

mikedem
03-04-2012, 12:40 AM
crap, I've got some orange drops coming with my new pots for the Epi LP to go with the Gibson pickups Epi sent me. What were the issues with orange drops?

Astroboy058
03-04-2012, 03:38 AM
crap, I've got some orange drops coming with my new pots for the Epi LP to go with the Gibson pickups Epi sent me. What were the issues with orange drops?

Nothing wrong with them. KP seems sold on the other ones so I figured I would try them out. Just another option my friend.

mikedem
03-04-2012, 03:41 AM
Nothing wrong with them. KP seems sold on the other ones so I figured I would try them out. Just another option my friend.

Ok good, cause these 2 Gibson pickups keep staring at me wondering why I dont solder them in NOW!!!:eek:

I haven't decide which wiring to do but probably the modern. I have the correct caps and resistors here if I decide to do the treble bleed mod while I am in there.
Have you done any of this mod? Any difference?

Astroboy058
03-04-2012, 04:03 AM
Ok good, cause these 2 Gibson pickups keep staring at me wondering why I dont solder them in NOW!!!:eek:

I haven't decide which wiring to do but probably the modern. I have the correct caps and resistors here if I decide to do the treble bleed mod while I am in there.
Have you done any of this mod? Any difference?

I need to crank up the HRD tube and and see. Playing through my Korgs I don't hear much of any difference. I did replace the cap and added the treble mod to his Agile this morning but I have not played it yet.

glassback
03-04-2012, 04:56 AM
crap, I've got some orange drops coming with my new pots for the Epi LP to go with the Gibson pickups Epi sent me. What were the issues with orange drops?

I've got The Mojotone vitamin T oil filled .022uf/600V cap in my Epi LP, I find theres a lot more Tonal control with them.:)

Astroboy058
03-04-2012, 05:09 AM
I've got The Mojotone vitamin T oil filled .022uf/600V cap in my Epi LP, I find theres a lot more Tonal control with them.:)

That's exactly what I noticed. I like it!!

mikedem
03-04-2012, 06:47 AM
That's exactly what I noticed. I like it!!

Too badi can't find any locally. Hate paying $10 to ship $4 of parts:(

Astroboy058
03-04-2012, 07:49 AM
Too badi can't find any locally. Hate paying $10 to ship $4 of parts:(

I can't remember but MojoTone's shipping wasn't to bad. I ordered 50 bucks of parts...I think shipping was about 7 bucks.

mikedem
03-04-2012, 07:53 AM
Yes but once you cross borders you have both Gov's with their hands in the parts bag!

Out again Gary, forgot to send that font. I will send it when I get home.

Astroboy058
03-04-2012, 11:15 AM
Well boys and girls, Clay just left taking his Agile PRS copy with him.

As I said before I tried MojoTone's oil filled caps in my Tele and his Agile. I also did the treble bleed mod to both of them.

To sum it up the orange drops are out. There is a big difference when you roll the tone back with these new caps in both guitar's. It's not as dark sounding as the orange drops and the drop off is not as extreme.

Clay and I both give these caps thumbs up.

Thanks KP, I learned something today. I was wro..rog...wr..wron...I was not correct with my assumption that the orange drops were better caps. There is nothing wrong with them. They are just different.

Now I will order some other types they have there and experiment some with the different type tones I might get.

Very cool!!!

davido
03-04-2012, 11:27 AM
Well boys and girls, Clay just left taking his Agile PRS copy with him.

As I said before I tried MojoTone's oil filled caps in my Tele and his Agile. I also did the treble bleed mod to both of them.

To sum it up the orange drops are out. There is a big difference when you roll the tone back with these new caps in both guitar's. It's not as dark sounding as the orange drops and the drop off is not as extreme.

Clay and I both give these caps thumbs up.

Thanks KP, I learned something today. I was wro..rog...wr..wron...I was not correct with my assumption that the orange drops were better caps. There is nothing wrong with them. They are just different.

Now I will order some other types they have there and experiment some with the different type tones I might get.

Very cool!!!
kewl beans gary ..

cvidal
03-07-2012, 09:09 AM
Got the package from Gary today. I'll start working on it tomorrow. Stay tuned for updates.

Astroboy058
03-07-2012, 09:45 AM
Got the package from Gary today. I'll start working on it tomorrow. Stay tuned for updates.

Is it done yet?

mikedem
03-07-2012, 11:42 AM
Is it done yet?

Yeah really its 8:45 you have had 2 and a half hours since you got it!!

Listen , nobody be bad for a while, chris has lots to do and he has no time to moderate.

there, that should free up your schedule:rolleyes:

cvidal
03-07-2012, 11:53 AM
Is it done yet?

Yeah really its 8:45 you have had 2 and a half hours since you got it!!

Listen , nobody be bad for a while, chris has lots to do and he has no time to moderate.

there, that should free up your schedule:rolleyes:

You two obviously don't understand the artist-masterpiece relationship. I need to spend some time alone with this fine lady. Get to know her a little. Develope a deep bond. Yes I anticipate many hours of my hand gently caressing her ample curves. Rubbing with just the right combination of pressure and friction, to coax the natural beauty from her naked body, before I finally dress her in the finest colors and most lustrous top coat.
So? Have I got your blood up yet?:D

mikedem
03-07-2012, 11:56 AM
You two obviously don't understand the artist-masterpiece relationship. I need to spend some time alone with this fine lady. Get to know her a little. Develope a deep bond. Yes I anticipate many hours of my hand gently caressing her ample curves. Rubbing with just the right combination of pressure and friction, to coax the natural beauty from her naked body, before I finally dress her in the finest colors and most lustrous top coat.
So? Have I got your blood up yet?:D

You keep that kind of talk up and you are gonna have to ban yourself.

ArticStrat
03-07-2012, 11:06 PM
Too badi can't find any locally. Hate paying $10 to ship $4 of parts:(

Ain't that the way of it these days? Bummer.

ArticStrat
03-07-2012, 11:09 PM
You two obviously don't understand the artist-masterpiece relationship. I need to spend some time alone with this fine lady. Get to know her a little. Develope a deep bond. Yes I anticipate many hours of my hand gently caressing her ample curves. Rubbing with just the right combination of pressure and friction, to coax the natural beauty from her naked body, before I finally dress her in the finest colors and most lustrous top coat.
So? Have I got your blood up yet?:D

Hmmm, may have to discuss a party with wifey tonight! You're a baaaaaad boy Chris! :D

65Casino
03-08-2012, 06:47 AM
Don't stop x 4 :eek::D

BTW - If Clay names that guitar Chester... you got some explaining to do! :p

You two obviously don't understand the artist-masterpiece relationship. I need to spend some time alone with this fine lady. Get to know her a little. Develope a deep bond. Yes I anticipate many hours of my hand gently caressing her ample curves. Rubbing with just the right combination of pressure and friction, to coax the natural beauty from her naked body, before I finally dress her in the finest colors and most lustrous top coat.
So? Have I got your blood up yet?:D

Gunn6Slinger
03-08-2012, 08:07 AM
Well.......so much for my " virgin " guitar. Thinks Chris...lol. At least you have to put up with the crying and wailing!
Thanks for all you're doing on the guitar and at this site! Tough job....you do it well.
TC
Clay
p.s.
" Think Blue "

cvidal
03-08-2012, 08:22 AM
Okay so here's the first status report.
Well it looks pretty good right out of the shoot, but as is true most of the time, this lovely ladie's body is not perfect. Hell Cindy Crawford's bobby isn't perfect, and I don't see anyone complaining.:D This body has a thin quilted maple veneer over a mahogany base. It has a few dimples, and spots where it was sanded too far exposing the mohagony below. Also there are some small gaps between the binding strip and the veneer.
Is all this a big deal? Hell no. It's kinda like finding a pimple on Cindy's butt. Perfectly natural, but has to be air brushed out before it goes to print.
So I've just applied some color matched wood filler to the body and neck, where needed. When it dries, I'll sand it away, and hopefully no one will ever notice.
I will say that I will not be rushing this job. Veneers are extremely thin. There is no room for error. When I've made my flame top bodies it is at least an eight inch ( usually a quarter inch) thick maple cap. If I make mistakes on these there is still plenty of wood to sand out the mistake and start again. With a veneer I don't have that luxury.
Does this mean Gary sent me an inferior body? Hell no. It's always a balance between cost and quality. If I made a body from mahogany and capped it with a similar looking solid piece of quilted maple I'd be almost $200.00 into it just to order the wood.
So what I'm trying to say here is please be patient with me. This is a very special lady we want to get to Clay. She might be as finicky as a trophy wife, but with patients we can make her as beautiful as one also.

cvidal
03-08-2012, 08:23 AM
Well.......so much for my " virgin " guitar. Thinks Chris...lol. At least you have to put up with the crying and wailing!
Thanks for all you're doing on the guitar and at this site! Tough job....you do it well.
TC
Clay
p.s.
" Think Blue "
You got it Clay. Blue, we can do!

Gunn6Slinger
03-08-2012, 03:56 PM
Thanks Chris....You rhyme every time?...lol
Yes, take all the time you want. Gary just built me my 14th guitar....evidently, I have a 10 guitar music room....something has to go...maybe me!...lol.
TC
Clay

cvidal
03-08-2012, 11:41 PM
First step complete. Gary drew a cut out design on the head stock. This morning I cut it out on the band saw at work and sanded it down, Also sanded away the excess wood filler where i filled a few dimples and the screw holes for the tuners. The holes didn't match the tuners Gary is going to use. I expect to be applying color this weekend, and lacquer next week.

Astroboy058
03-09-2012, 09:06 PM
Wow, that looks great Chris. I have built a ton of guitars. I am actually excited about this one,lmao.

I got to figure out a good name for this one. I might have to call it something like "The Vidal Special".

65Casino
03-10-2012, 12:25 AM
or SYA MODification Special Reserve :p

mikedem
03-10-2012, 01:21 AM
or SYA MODification Special Reserve :p

Not bad. SYA CV SD model....oh wait I have one of those here already...carry on:cool:

Gunn6Slinger
03-10-2012, 07:19 AM
I have no say in " my " guitar......but....the g&c custom by sya.....yea.. Sounds good...hint.hint.hinttt!!!...lol

cvidal
03-10-2012, 08:40 AM
Well the neck has had the black parts stained, and I now staining the black section of the body.
There are two small set backs. First I have looked high and low and can't find my blue stain. I'm going to order some tonight and it should be here by late in the week. This kinda plays into the second setback. I have to go away on business Wednesday and Thursday so that two days I won't be able to work on it.

Gunn6Slinger
03-10-2012, 04:33 PM
I have 14 guitars... and no room for more that 10!...lol
So take your time. I may have to add a room onto the house!
Thanks for all you do Chris.
Clay
P.S.
Blue???...whay happened to pink?
Ohhh...err...that was Garys daughters guitar....never mind.......

Astroboy058
03-10-2012, 11:35 PM
I have 14 guitars... and no room for more that 10!...lol
So take your time. I may have to add a room onto the house!
Thanks for all you do Chris.
Clay
P.S.
Blue???...whay happened to pink?
Ohhh...err...that was Garys daughters guitar....never mind.......

Yea Clay, I will be down tonight and we an bust out that wall and have a guitar only room. It should accomidate about 50 guitars. I am the one that needs more room. If you saw my stack of guitars I have here..mine and customers you would laugh.

Clay, Chris and I did make a mistake though. We got our colors and guitars mixed up. Sarah's acoustic is going to be blue and your PRS will be pink.

Chris, take your time man. Excited oh yea, in a hurry?. No way, we both appriciate your skill and time on this. It would take me all week to get caught up here if I were to start today,lmao.

cvidal
03-11-2012, 05:30 AM
:DSome update photos. This is my least favorite stage of the process. The stain is on, but dull and lifeless. Hopefully tomorrow I'll start spraying the lacquer. That's when they come to life.
I tried as best I could to match the color scheme Clay and Gary wanted. Clay wanted blue and Gary wanted the head stock to match the body, so here we are. She's a little dull now, but this girls gonna be shining soon.
Sorry about the sideways pictures, but I'm too lazy to fix them!

mikedem
03-11-2012, 05:35 AM
Wow! Oh oh, here comes that feeling again!!! Shouldn't have looked!


Looking good!

Astroboy058
03-11-2012, 07:33 AM
:DSome update photos. This is my least favorite stage of the process. The stain is on, but dull and lifeless. Hopefully tomorrow I'll start spraying the lacquer. That's when they come to life.
I tried as best I could to match the color scheme Clay and Gary wanted. Clay wanted blue and Gary wanted the head stock to match the body, so here we are. She's a little dull now, but this girls gonna be shining soon.
Sorry about the sideways pictures, but I'm too lazy to fix them!

And that ladies and gentlemen is why I sent it to Chris. I haven't been this excited about a guitar build since the first one I did.

Now if I can get it to sound and play like it looks then we will have something.

The G&C SYA Special!!!!!!!!

The electronics that will be on the guitar will have no push pull pots because the pups are only 2 wire pups. But you know me I always have to put some kind of option on a build of mine. Whether it be push pulls or series/parallel on the Strats.

I have something a little different in mind on this one. I will keep that a secret until I demo it,lol.

glassback
03-11-2012, 08:10 AM
That looks great, cant wait to see that colour pop when it's laquered:cool:

Gunn6Slinger
03-11-2012, 08:50 AM
Its BLUE...its BLUE...its BLUE!!!
Jody...Bro...we got BLUE!!!
LOL
Super Chris...WOW!!!
Clay

mikedem
03-11-2012, 08:51 AM
Its BLUE...its BLUE...its BLUE!!!
Jody...Bro...we got BLUE!!!
LOL
Super Chris...WOW!!!
Clay

Careful, that could be Blue primer getting ready for the pink top coat. Stay low and outta site. You know that Gary guy.........:cool::D

cvidal
03-11-2012, 08:57 AM
Careful, that could be Blue primer getting ready for the pink top coat. Stay low and outta site. You know that Gary guy.........:cool::D

Come on now Mike. This guitar's got my reputation tied to it. No Pink. No Way. No How. As in "Pink? Hell no.":D Clay she'll really look a lot better once I get about 25 coats of lacquer on her. She's gonna be shiiiiinnnnneeeeeee.
BTW this one might be hand delivered. I'm headed to Newport News VA for business Wednesday. Gary's about three hours from there. Hope to have her done by then and see if I can hook up with him Thursday morning before I have to head for the airport in Richmond.

mikedem
03-11-2012, 08:58 AM
Come on now Mike. This guitar's got my reputation tied to it. No Pink. No Way. No How. As in "Pink? Hell no.":mad:
BTW this one might be hand delivered. I'm headed to Newport News VA for business Wednesday. Gary's about three hours from there. Hope to have her done by then and see if I can hook up with him Thursday morning before I have to head for the airport in Richmond.

So much for no rush.:D:D

Gunn6Slinger
03-11-2012, 10:22 AM
Wow, that would be kool Chris. If you dont mind , I would like to meet you also. Maybe we could all meet in richmond. Gary is about 1/2 mile from my house...lol. Unless you would like to see SYA at home ( and the SYA studio in my basement )!
Hope it works out.
Clay

cvidal
03-11-2012, 10:54 AM
Wow, that would be kool Chris. If you dont mind , I would like to meet you also. Maybe we could all meet in richmond. Gary is about 1/2 mile from my house...lol. Unless you would like to see SYA at home ( and the SYA studio in my basement )!
Hope it works out.
Clay

I'm gonna give Gary a call when I'm on the road Thursday morning Clay. Would love to hook up with the both of you. I fly out of Richmond at 4:25 so I want to be bac there before 3:00. I have no idea what traffic around that area is like or what it's like going through that airport. Also not sure when I'll have to return the rental car. As soon as I figure that all out I'll let you guys know. Looking forward to it.

65Casino
03-11-2012, 03:04 PM
Come on now Mike. This guitar's got my reputation tied to it. No Pink. No Way. No How. As in "Pink? Hell no.":D Clay she'll really look a lot better once I get about 25 coats of lacquer on her. She's gonna be shiiiiinnnnneeeeeee.
BTW this one might be hand delivered. I'm headed to Newport News VA for business Wednesday. Gary's about three hours from there. Hope to have her done by then and see if I can hook up with him Thursday morning before I have to head for the airport in Richmond.

That is soooooo coooool. Blue.... 25coats.... shine.... NO PINK.... Hand delivered? over the top... best of luck. I don't know why, but this shit makes me happy. :D

pssst.... Chris, about that stop over here in Atlanta... we gonna do the same thing again... you know... that switcheroo thangamabob? Worked last time... Jody has no idea, neither did Dono... they say 3's a charm. I mailed Mike Gary's checks. All went well I suppose. I heard nothin back from Mike or Gary. All is good. :cool:;)

kaicho8888
03-11-2012, 03:57 PM
Post Pictures please.:o

cvidal
03-12-2012, 05:51 AM
Lacquer is on and just waiting for it to dry before buffing it out.

mikedem
03-12-2012, 06:01 AM
:eek: I wouldn't be too excited if that was my guitar - not too excited at all:eek::D

How is Gary possibly going to give this one up? Clay you may be out of luck my friend.:cool:

ArticStrat
03-12-2012, 06:53 AM
:DSome update photos. This is my least favorite stage of the process. The stain is on, but dull and lifeless. Hopefully tomorrow I'll start spraying the lacquer. That's when they come to life.
I tried as best I could to match the color scheme Clay and Gary wanted. Clay wanted blue and Gary wanted the head stock to match the body, so here we are. She's a little dull now, but this girls gonna be shining soon.
Sorry about the sideways pictures, but I'm too lazy to fix them!

Yep, gassin again. And I don't mean flatulence. :D

Gunn6Slinger
03-12-2012, 09:17 AM
Of course...first, I lose my " virgin " guitar....and now it looks sooo good, I lose the whole guitar! SYA = steal your axxe....lol.
Its very dark over my house...yet just 1/2 mile away at SYA, its sunny and BRIGHT!
Great job Chris...I luv it!

Astroboy058
03-17-2012, 10:24 PM
As I put on my dark sun glasses I ask Chris...


Is it done yet
Is it done yet
Is it done yet........................


Haha, take your time Chris but can you hurry up,lmao. Jeez, I need another room just for customers guitars. I currently have 18 customers guitars here. I really need some of these guitars picked up. All of them are done except for 3 of them. I will finish them today and then the "wait" continues,lol.

Ross6860
03-18-2012, 02:04 AM
Lacquer is on and just waiting for it to dry before buffing it out.

Chris, can you explain your buffing technique/process?

I've polished lots of aluminum, brass, and copper, on a wheel, but only have done laquer by hand (long, long, process;)).

I tried to buff a gas tank about 30 years ago. Buffer was way too fast, needless to say I burned it in about 3 seconds:eek: At least it was my bike, so I got to paint the tank again...

THX

cvidal
03-25-2012, 03:07 AM
Well everyone I'm still at it. I got this sucker almost beautiful, but there's this one stubborn little blemish right on the front that is driving me bonkers. So sorry for the delay Gary. I get it right though.
Ross sorry I missed your question.
I start by wet sanding the lacquer with 500 grit sandpaper. This is followed by wet sanding with 600, 800, 1000, and finally 1500 grit papers. You can use a power sander if you are very, very careful. If you build up any heat due to friction it will melt the lacquer. After that I use an automotive polishing compound to get a glass like finish. It is not uncommon at this point to see imperfections that we're missed. The only thing to do then is start over with the sanding.

Astroboy058
03-25-2012, 04:55 AM
Well everyone I'm still at it. I got this sucker almost beautiful, but there's this one stubborn little blemish right on the front that is driving me bonkers. So sorry for the delay Gary. I get it right though.

I don't see any delay Chris but I will say that the more you work on it the more excited I am getting about "my" guitar. I know how good it will look. It is going to look really nice hanging on my wall between my custom 22 and my gold top.

I am not even sure I will let any of my friends play "my" guitar. You will have it looking awesome and I will have it playing and sounding awesome.

mikedem
03-25-2012, 04:57 AM
I don't see any delay Chris but I will say that the more you work on it the more excited I am getting about "my" guitar. I know how good it will look. It is going to look really nice hanging on my wall between my custom 22 and my gold top.

I am not even sure I will let any of my friends play "my" guitar. You will have it looking awesome and I will have it playing and sounding awesome.

You are forgetting that Clay is ALWAYS packing:eek::eek:

Astroboy058
03-25-2012, 07:46 AM
You are forgetting that Clay is ALWAYS packing:eek::eek:

Ahh yea..ahh yea..I am making "my" guitar but I am going to give it to Clay as a B-Day present. I am doing this after much consideration and thought. I think it would be in my best health/interest to not keep this awesome guitar but to give it to someone who has 14 more guns then I do.

This decision is made not by fear but by a preserve thy self nature...nothing more nothing less. So with me making this decision I am taking away any hard decisions Clay would have to make were he not receive the guitar like which gun or guns to use. How many rounds he would likely need.

Plus I also take away the happy factor he would get firing off 40-60- rounds even though I handed it to him after the first round was fired :eek:.

Well...... there you go!!

mikedem
03-25-2012, 07:48 AM
Ahh yea..ahh yea..I am making "my" guitar but I am going to give it to Clay as a B-Day present. I am doing this after much consideration and thought. I think it would be in my best health/interest to not keep this awesome guitar but to give it to someone who has 14 more guns then I do.

This decision is made not by fear but by a preserve thy self nature...nothing more nothing less. So with me making this decision I am taking away any hard decisions Clay would have to make were he not receive the guitar like which gun or guns to use. How many rounds he would likely need.

Plus I also take away the happy factor he would get firing off 40-60- rounds even though I handed it to him after the first round was fired :eek:.

Well...... there you go!!

I got your back G.

:cool:

Astroboy058
03-25-2012, 04:16 PM
I got your back G.

:cool:

Thanks Mike but it is not my back I am worried about,lmao. Besides when you mention guns to Clay he gets this very disturbing smile on his face :eek:.

Gunn6Slinger
03-26-2012, 07:19 AM
That " smile " is pain from the last gun battle I had over a Guitar!....took two to the chest....she was a fiesty one...lol

Astroboy058
03-29-2012, 01:11 PM
That " smile " is pain from the last gun battle I had over a Guitar!....took two to the chest....she was a fiesty one...lol

Clay, that was not a fight from a guitar...remember it was a girl :eek: and I think it was like 35 years ago :eek:

Gunn6Slinger
03-29-2012, 02:54 PM
but im only 39.........

ITry
03-29-2012, 03:32 PM
This is a great thread.

I hope to give a simpler try a go and this helps alot.

Thanks.

mikedem
03-29-2012, 10:34 PM
but im only 39.........

I guess Gary's camera adds a few years when it records video's???:rolleyes:


;)

Astroboy058
03-30-2012, 06:16 AM
I guess Gary's camera adds a few years when it records video's???:rolleyes:


;)

Ouch!!!

Gunn6Slinger
03-30-2012, 09:19 AM
Yes!!! I've told him that the thing is broken...but he keeps using it!!
Here is a pic of me just last week!

Astroboy058
03-30-2012, 09:42 AM
Yes!!! I've told him that the thing is broken...but he keeps using it!!
Here is a pic of me just last week!

I dont know but that kid is holding a good looking guitar!

snapperfireman
03-30-2012, 10:32 AM
Very nice guitar!!!!!

mikedem
03-30-2012, 03:35 PM
Yes!!! I've told him that the thing is broken...but he keeps using it!!
Here is a pic of me just last week!

He's an expert at video special effects Clay, that has to be the answer:rolleyes: